@moondog548 @alice @vkc

And keep in mind: some men will just be monsters. No amount of social pressure or calling out will work on them as they keep making those remarks

In those instances - ostracize them from your life, and warn others. Do not accept them as "quirky but harmless". Because it will escalate, and will draw in others. That will prompt "but he says it, and it's accepted so I should be able to say it as well"

> Silence now is implied endorsement later.

@moondog548 @alice @vkc

There are differing styles of communication and personalities to take into account, so don't necessarily use these as-is. Adapt to your situation/style/personality

Some examples to get started (for the edgy remark retorts)

- Not cool dude
- that's fucked up
- ask them to explain what they meant, make them explain their "edgy" stuff

But above all, be the better example. Support women, POC, LGBTQ, and *believe them* when they call out stuff

@alice @vkc

And that also means at places and times where it is just men around.

Especially then.

Silence then is implied endorsement later.

@alice @vkc

Absolutely. We, as men, *must* step up. Not only with standing against sexual harassment; but also the "edgy" comments

Its easy to spout as a man you'd stand against brutality. But yet we're often quiet when women, POC, are ignored, belittled, etc.

Creating a world where we all are safe from harm is stopping **all** forms of harassment, staring, belittling, catcalling. At. All. Times.

Men, we need to do better and hold each other accountable. For everyone, including ourselves

@ozzelot @renatoram @vkc

Shipping companies still use them but it is becoming increasingly rare even amongst them (CMR form if memory serves me right)

Fun fact: I used to work at a call center supporting software that allowed printing those forms. I can't tell you how many little tips for resolving printer issues we had - but rarely if ever had genuine unsolvable defects. And if something broke, replace the part *maybe* recalibrate and off you go